Exploring the Construction of Online Identity
Convener: Thu-An Bui
Notes-takers: Alex Rosen, Kaliya Hamlin
- Alex Rosen
- Kaliya Hamlin
- Tim Burks
- James McLaughlin
- Jeff Stollman
- Mary Breusake
- Dave Brown
- Jeff Hodges
Poken to connect Location based tools – more contextual information, also time stamped
An: I came to IIW thinking it was going to be something else. More Social Media, Marketing, Online Reputation Management How you manage your presence online.
That is what all the people who will use this stuff will eventually care about – they care about how it manages their presence.
People signed up for google, yahoo, plaxo. From what I have heard OPenID – universal identity – a lot of it is how do you communicate to the users what the technology is in a way that is not scary.
There are a lot of people here talking about identity plumbing
Riffing on that – there is a scenario – people here are working on BETA-Max and VHS is going to wipe us out. Facebook = VHS
Kaliya had conversations w/ adults that facebook freaks them out – regular people. Until you have the last person who uses rotary phones die, you have older people who don’t use facebook the same way younger people do
Facebook is a sucky app, despite it, has the presence.
Sites that accept open id? who accepts FB Connect? CBS
Scenario – risk that is not being acknowledged – almost being dismissed
Business factors, user acceptance ‡ drives to adoption
What plumbing will be most widely adopted in the most winning mass audience, consumer space
Influence, factors of importance?
Strong enough understanding – msft passport was fought? FB
Connect is similar
Not seeing the evil empire backlash
The difference is facebook is easiest.
I think some of the backlash –
Facebook is an alternative
An: SO that is one way of looking at online Identity. Asking the room about
Online reputation management from a consumer perspective. How do you think about yourself and how do you present yourself online – constructionist framework
All of you atriubtes – the stuff you put into a form. When you think about personal online identity – which of those frameworks and why
Judi – context – who do you talk to and what kind of person do you need to be in the world – personal representation, representation of the company,
Active - tweeting Passive – googling self seeing what people say
- Ipseity – features unique to you (DNA, Date of birth)
- Transiant – attributes unique to you. (Age)
- Contextual – multiple persona
Community does not do a good job of sharing the lexicon
Different people mean different things about authentication
What I would like to get out of this discussion.
Yes there is an issue of we are all part of “a” community.
We haven’t figured out what it
There is a clear definition
How do you integrate people who don’t have background and what to become involved
How do you get them involved with the least pain as possible
How do you leverage their talents and ability
People might be might be new to the community.
Vastly larger community – that has a different community.
One of the complexities.
What does identity mean – extremely many facited notion The stuff that is unique to our innerselves
Federated identity – reputation and trust Selves as member of groups
Citizens – rights responsibilities
‘the digital us” trackable in a digital world.
Digitalidcoach.com/ - identities tab
Lexicon – not clear and agreed upon. Jeff questioned its usefulness
Issue of Control that we are asserting over identity. “who is we”
Consumer control of what the
Constructionist – my personal story – what are the tools I will use to create my online identity – twitter and a blog, it is a skill we need to teach people – how they construct it online.
Mistaken notion that one can own one’s identity.
We in the online world use the word online identity to much. Best way to influence online identity
Erving Goffman – Presentation of the Self
We can influence it – The notion of identity is contextual.
My notion of my identity or his notion of my identity
Do you think it could be called identity - reputation
Not the same – Reputation is the uttering of the image
Powerful thing about facebook and twitter.
Project and construct views of people. =JeffH – his attempts presenting himself
Three different cases Varying level of “careful” What does it mean to be careful?
This comes into play when using online dating service
Spectrum of findability—some people want to be more some want to be less
Natural names and identifiers are not congruent, but they’re intersecting. They only intersect a little in global sense. Task of id system when deploying is deciding how much you want them to intersect. Hard to make a strong intersection—often makes people unhappy.
Future of Reputation, Daniel Solove—read
Also- Digital Person & Understanding privacy
He suggests changes to regulatory and legal environment to better accommodate identity
Japanese laws on spam are on per message action.
But what should the regulation be and who should regulate? Govt should be more transparent with data they have on us, so should all entities Facebook should have to tell us everything they store about us
Have to consider EULAs. These often make people waive rights without them knowing.
Going to where people don’t want to be repositories of all this info anymore. It’s burdensome. Do we want entities that handle this and compete for business?
- This is taking a long time to come about
- Credit Bureues
How does this fit into a verified identity model with naming? How to name things so endusers understand?
- Personas? These are contextual
Potential outcome: How to define/explain these terms to public. Could we make common craft videos for key concepts in this space so people can understand us?
Mass market users care what this does for them, not what it’s called.
Persona or Profile??? Do people know what persona means? OECD paper on ‘what is identity’
Narrow the frame andthen define the term within the frame, or else you end up in circles.
Personhood has been argued over for many thousands of years. In legal sense, a corporation is a person. Corporations also have brand identities.
Paper by Eric Olson. Go to Stanford Encylopedia of Philosophy. ‘The problems of personal identity.’
Danah Boyd has research on after death digital shrines. Facebook papers, etc. being taken over after death to preserve and spread information.
What’s next? Do we want a Google Groups, a wiki to make a glossary?
- Can use ID Commons wiki
What are the colloquial uses of these terms as they’re actually used online and really
Don’t want the ontological framework for the existential condition
Context setting comes before definition.