24L/ Decentralized publication, micro-publication and moderation-- what the real pitfalls would be.

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Decentralized Publication, Micro-Publication & Moderation - What The Real Pitfalls Would Be

Thursday 24L

Convener: Juan Caballero and Kim Duffy

Notes-taker(s): 

Tags for the session - technology discussed/ideas considered:

Decentralization, social

Discussion notes, key understandings, outstanding questions, observations, and, if appropriate to this discussion: action items, next steps: 

Link to Session Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1RMozl86wihBw8_rJvC97tUUjYVpTHk6aF8QOs_ng6l0/edit?usp=sharing

Set-up Presentation:

  • Silos and echo chambers?

    • Countermeasures?

  • Pink Checkmark system? Verify all accounts or continue 2-class system

  • Can we still make money?

  • Moderation

  • Clients and API openness - on what axes will they compete? Can they compete on algos? Community curation?

  • How important is authenticity? Each tweet signed?

    • Editable cheeps?

    • Delete cheeps?

  • Mike Jones: Listening to Daniel’s ION presentation, I asked from the POV of a naïve person, what are these ION DIDs good for in the first place; his answer was

    • Daniel wants identities that Twitter can’t take away from Donald Trump

    • Child pornographers would also then be sovereign over their identifiers

    • Kim: People select their own echo chambers

  • Juan: Echo chamber / child porn dynamics have a lot in common (HBO Documentary “into the storm”)

  • Erica: Social media as a way to advertise, finding markets. Want to market to people who are interested

    • Small business, organic marketing, micro-commerce

    • Bullying, social problems, child protection

  • In chat: distinguishing identifier control/sovereignty from data flows and recommendation

    • Silencing the horrible

  • Mike: Govts and major players/communities have their own prerogatives and priorities

    • Rebecca McKinnon (former Chief CNN correspondent in China) - “If we want to know that a conversation is actually private, we’re going to have to do it the old fashioned way and meet in the middle of a rice field in our skivvies.”

  • Brent: Algorithmic tyranny -

  • Erica: What communities and platforms you opt in to/out of IRL

    • Contextual expectations and social contracts

  • Juan: basic expectations that we’ve tasked centralized platforms with; how will this adapt in world where shutting down accounts isn’t primary recourse

  • Brent: AI approaches, will it get good enough?

  • Juan: can never count on that

  • Dan Robertson: layers on top of base protocols so I’m not flooded; it’s been filtered by party/parties I trust (spam detection library, child protection, etc)

    • Email spam filtering; child protection in search results

    • Where is the line between safety filtering and filter bubbling/echo chambering

  • Juan: e.g. certificate transparency and allow lists and role

  • Kim: Seeing this as a data problem: streams and filters/policies

  • Dan R: Getting out of “winner take all” paradigm: competing on feature

    • Hotmail never went away because of interop

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