23D/ An Identity Through Time
An Identity Through Time
Thursday 23D
Convener: David Schmudde
Notes-taker(s): David Schmudde
Tags for the session - technology discussed/ideas considered:
The history of identity online. Finger, CompuServe, DNS/WWW, Facebook
Discussion notes, key understandings, outstanding questions, observations, and, if appropriate to this discussion: action items, next steps:
The slides are based on this blog post: https://schmud.de/posts/2021-04-22-id-through-time.html
Nothing to prevent players to take advantage of SSI. They may add something small and useful aspects to the protocols.
The hope is that our stuff is super interoperable. So you can actually really leave.
Facebook is interesting because it was based on the .edu domain. Small network. Solving for the endstate that we see now is different than starting back then.
Zero-knowledge proofs and trustless networks may require high-trust environments for adoptions.
ZOOM CHAT:
1:06:29 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : outlander!
21:06:45 From Jemima Gibbons To Everyone : David’s company: https://yorba.co/
21:06:57 From Jeff O To Everyone : CServe
21:08:09 From Bruce Conrad To Everyone : And no one was worried about identity because they knew each other
21:09:31 From Marc Davis To Everyone : +1 Bruce
21:23:05 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : wow! I filled out a few dozen of those!
21:35:33 From Neil Thomson To Everyone : The problem with privacy online is there is sufficient numbers of people who don't know or don't care or know but don't see the downside of using services that capture their PII and behavior, that those services thrive (and profit from that data), creating a significant “barrier to entry” to privacy respecting alternatives.
21:37:44 From Frederico Schardong To Everyone : +1 portability is key
21:38:12 From Frederico Schardong To Everyone : About that: https://womeninidentity.org/2020/03/31/data-portability/
21:39:02 From zceline To Everyone : +1 @marc -- FB never set out to be an ad network...
21:40:23 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : not at all. we need to know our history to know how to navigate through what we do next
21:41:09 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : @marc +1 about boot strapping ZKPs in a high trust environment
21:41:31 From zceline To Everyone : +1 @cam - so important to have context. thanks @schmudde
21:44:12 From Marc Davis To Everyone : “Adoption requires (or at least greatly benefits from) high trust.”
21:45:50 From Marc Davis To Everyone : So paradoxically, technologies that deal with derisking low trust interactions, may require a high trust environment in which to first gain adoption.
21:48:36 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : that’s why I see a paradox in Joe A’s functional identity vs my own reflection of myself as a whole combined with my life online.
21:50:12 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : I see myself as far more than just my function in the abstract (“In the abyss” as Hal Holbrook said in Wall Street -1986) where you see yourself staring back at you
21:51:06 From Niels van Dijk To Everyone : There is a Black Mirror episode on that...
21:52:18 From Brent Shambaugh To Everyone : ha
21:56:28 From Brent Shambaugh To Everyone : Do you want everyone to be able to correlate?
21:57:58 From Frederico Schardong To Everyone : @Cam, I agree. I see functional identity as an engineer approach to model identity so to put it into a system of some sort. The folks from the philosophy side of the force have very different views on identity (both personal identity and other forms).
21:58:04 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : that’s why this session is so critical to use schmudde’s investigation as a proxy for how to think through this
21:58:19 From Marc Davis To Everyone : @Brent, no I just want that I can correlate myself for myself.
21:59:11 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : +1 Marc
22:02:00 From Brent Zundel To Everyone : That Brent seems to have left
22:04:30 From schmudde To Everyone : d@schmud.de
22:04:38 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : At PayPal, I got the EU payments regulator (CSSF) to talk to the GDPR regulator to see what takes precedence: The law to document the identity of a party to a transaction for antimony laundering purposes vs the GDPR right to be forgotten. AML won!
22:06:14 From Kaliya Identity Woman To Everyone : software is more like growing lettuce then making bricks
22:06:32 From Erica Connell To Everyone : identity remnants; online we live forever?
22:07:03 From zceline To Everyone : Willow Brugh and Megan Yip have done a ton of amazing work on what happens to your digital self after you die
22:07:12 From Niels van Dijk To Everyone : "Let me download the internet"
22:07:29 From Marc Davis To Everyone : Thx zceline!
22:08:01 From Erica Connell To Everyone : It brings to mind a notion of "how do we clean up after ourselves" online? Do we just *not*? Or can we "leave no trace"?
22:09:07 From Kaliya Identity Woman To Everyone : https://vimeo.com/42481807 <- my talk on digital death from privacy identity and innovation
22:09:35 From zceline To Everyone : Ooh thank @Kaliya, will add that to my collection
22:10:01 From Erica Connell To Everyone : thx, Kaliya!
22:10:20 From Cam Geer1 To Everyone : thanks! gotta run to school pick up!
22:10:41 From zceline To Everyone : great session!
22:10:58 From Erica Connell To Everyone : fantastic
22:11:01 From Marc Davis To Everyone : From Popular Mechanics 2011: https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/web/how-to/a6527/what-happens-to-your-online-data-when-you-die/
22:11:33 From Jeff O To Everyone : https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/principles/storage-limitation/
22:11:42 From Jeff O To Everyone : watch the cookie settings for above!
