22D/ Career Advice for New Professionals in Identity
Career Advice for New Professionals in Identity
Thursday 22D
Convener: Megan Olsen
Notes-taker(s): Charles E. Lehner
Tags for the session - technology discussed/ideas considered:
Identity, Career, Internship, Job History
Discussion notes, key understandings, outstanding questions, observations, and, if appropriate to this discussion: action items, next steps:
Patrick Kenyon, 1:43:06 PM
Waiting on Megan Olsen (host) her computer is updating rn
Charles asked if okay to talk before speaker arrives.
Charles
Simon: worked with Megan Olsen for 6(?) months as intern. Do not have job offer yet. Think this is the future. Hard to get from corporations taking advantage, bring freedom back as it was back in the day. Advise: do some research on your own, educate yourself, do development as much as you can.
Join some communities on the Internet. Be part of an open source and contribute.I will be contributing to open source Indivcio while whiling for job offer.
Simon (Slava) Nazarenko, 1:50:12 PM
please, connect if you want
Patrick Kenyon. Indicio. Mobile development layer. 2 months. Mobile development itself. Wanted to learn a bit more about identity aspect that I’ve been working on. To learn better.
Ian Kulp. Not currently working yet. Finished bachelor's degree same time last year. After 2 year SDE intensive. 2nd years ML. passionate about all things decentralized. See as evolution of internet. Heavily invested in cryptos pace. Mining. 24 GPU miners going. First IIW. Soaking in as much knowledge as I can. By time … graduate from this software engineering intensive. Hope to enter the workforce ideally with a company or org triny got move the decentralized revolution for
Patrick Kenyon To Everyone
1:51:27 PM
Megan says she's 45/47 on her update so she should be here soon
Ian: internships at Indicio?
Simon: … Talked to me about internship. Front-end engineering. Talked via LinkedIn. He was looking for projects I was doing in React. That was sufficient.
… Information
Charles E. Lehner, 1:53:57 PM
I am an alum of hackNY fellowship, 2013.
B.Sc. Computer Science University of Rochester, Rochester, NY Class of 2015.
Megan: I work at indicio, intern, new to identity. Hoping people can come together and give tips.
?: We were thinking you would give tips.
Megan: I had some, but they were in a chat box in QigoChat, but they are not there where they were before.
What are you guys all at on your career paths? (Unformed thought)
Ian: repeated intro… Crypto mining… don’t necessarily have to work for a paycheck - would like to work on technologies I am passionate about. Will be looking for work when graduate in September.
Megan: biggest advice: go in chat and ask for everyone’s LinkedIn. I applied for a lot of jobs and … heard back. Got job through networking. Then got Patrick hired. I don’t remember if I filled out application or not.
Charles: pasted session notes link in chat
Megan: learning different things, even though don’t sound important to what you are doing, can be helpful.
Phil: looking through this advice, notes. Is any of it Identity-specific? Or just, this is our community? The rest is just IT and cybersecurity-oriented guidance?
Megan: still extremely new. Only 6 months next week. Think the advice is about the same. #1 thing to remember about identity: there is always going to be news stuff coming up that surprises you. Never would have thought of it that way because it’s always been the same way for a long time.
PhilWolff: I’m a researcher for digital identity in the Internet of Things.
I’ve been coming to IIW for about 10(?) years. Everything Megan tells you, do that. But there is a huge leap between world of identity access management - world of well-known well-understood problems, pretty proven toolkit for managing them; and folks like at IIW trying to imagine what’s the proven new stuff for 5 years down the road, start designing it now. Bleeding edge of digital identity in some respects. Other pockets of the internet where you can find where the innovators are doing stuff. Most 95% of companies in Identity trying to get some enterprise(s) properly connected, wired up. Industry, IAM. Consider as two separate fields. Identity research, science - vs. Identity Operations. Most work in Identity is Identity Operations and Business practice.
Megan: That was very nice.
Dan: I everyone on call either studying or working in a technical discipline? Or some folks … other?
Megan: I work in a technical discipline, I think i understand what that means.
Dan: Engineering, or architecture….
Megan: Yes. Do you work in technical…?
Dan: In digital product management. It can get technical, but I don’t write code professionally.
I think specific to this community, it may be tactical advice, not for an immediate payoff. But being in events like this - will become very valuable, open up a lot of opportunities. How many years is hard to guess. I think we will enter a new … same way as web 2.0 era opened up a lot of business models and opportunities for folks who understood the tech well enough to capitalize and create value, think will eventually land in a similar spot in the SSI. space.
Megan: that’s cool.
Ian: according to… blockchain industry to become mature by 2025. Decentralized Identifiers to become a lot more mainstream and mature in the next 3-5 years. Hopefully.
Dan: welcome, Judith. Would you mind… introducing...
Judith: Sorry for late, arrived and nothing happening, went to other cgroups and came back. Judith Fleenor, I’ve been around the Identity space for a long time, there has been a spinoff of a public/private sector … IESG. Familiar with ... And self-sovereign community
Jumped into this group, advice on how it was spun off as a breakout room.
Megan: no focus, just kindof spewing stuff.
Judith: where are you from?
Megan: Utah.
Judith: Currently in Utah?
Megan: yes.
Judith. My … is from Utah.
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Working … somewhere outside of Salt Lake City.
Megan: There’s basically Salt Lake City, and the place where nothing grows…
Judith: spent a lot of time in Utah. Last job was in a residential sales organization. Partner trainer: went and trained … Resided… Actually didn’t sell product in Utah, because of regularity and cost of energy.
Asks about other people to intro.
Dan: either students or young professionals looking for reason about building path. Have any thoughts about career advice or specifically in identity space?
Judith: happy to say. Start of the Internet, would go to dinner parties and people would say it’s never going to be anything. Lesson: if coming out of college: if you believe in something, don’t listen to the other people, learn as much as you can about it. My day job at the time aas in customer relationship management software at IBM 400s(?). Had day job. But my real work and interest was in all these other things. Built a company. Then when they needed to have a website, needed to put their documents into SGML, stuff like that…. That’s my history. Training: I’ve managed training … in organizations. How I got into Identity: … LDAP… at one of my career times of “what am i going to do now” (I get bored with things, want to find something new and cutting-edge). Identity seemed to be the right place to fit in with the whole knowledge level I had. Just started going to things. Be there, listening and learning is 90% of getting involved, especially around Identity and IIW. other 10% is contributing. Being there is one, have to …. Then find a way to contribute. Example from IESG (doesn’t exist any more). Went to this thing, using my own frequent flyer miles. At that time, had to identify sector. Said UX. I’m not a user experience expert, but closest to me. Go to meeting. Chair. While people discussing, I put up flip charts... They said, “Ok, it’s been decided”. What? He’s going to be ther chair, you’re going to be the vice-chair. So I became the vice-chair of a user group, because I was present, I showed up and help, not just stay there and listen, found what I can do with my skills to help contribute with the experience happening here. For career advice: for students, or anyone trying to change industry: to be present, listen and learned, and then contribute. Like the open source model; find a way to contribute. In Identity, even if not a technologist... I’m not a technologist, not writing code. There is equal need, or even more possibilities, taking notes, writing code, as you … learning cycle.
Dan: that perspective is itself helpful, if trying to build systems for others to make sense of. The people most expert are blind to understand. Oftentimes people who are more green may have questions that maybe the top expert would say, “Oh, is that not clear?”
As I dive into identity, the more I know, the more I know I don't know. That’s true for all technologies. That’s okay. But knowing to look for the things that you don’t know, is needed.
Identity Ecosystem Steering Group
Obama administration. National … trusted identity cyberspace. I don’t know if it even exists as a body anymore.
Charles asked Judith for clarification about IBM notes.
Patrick: I’m from Utah, Indicio, doing mobile development there.
Megan: may break? Then you can go into another weird session.
I saw in a weird session.... Cookies
Judith: It’s okay to be lost. I feel like I don’t understand at first. The more I listen… this piece fits with this piece, that pieces fits with that piece. May sit through whole session, don’t understand anything, but then the next session, everything fits in.
Megan: I really like that they are doing secondary sessions.
Judith: Sometimes if you jump into the second session, can get confused if weren’t in the first session.
Judith asks Geovane to introduce. What intrerings of this title?
Geovane Fedrecheski1: I am a PhD candidate working on IoT and security. Since last year, integrating self-sovereign identity in IoT world. Curious about what was the discussion here, in fact.
Judith: I was a late joiner, but Megan spun up the group … to get involved. Some people here have been in Identity for a while, some people new to Identity.
Thanks Megan for spinning up the session. Going to head out to another session and geek out. Bye.
Megan: I’m not sure if anyone has anything else, or if anyone wants to break.
